Sarah Silverman says Hollywood has a Jewface problem

[quote]Theres this long tradition of non-Jews playing Jews, and not just playing people who happen to be Jewish but people whose Jewishness is their whole being, Silverman said in Thursdays episode of her eponymous podcast, adding, One could argue, for instance, that a Gentile [a non-Jew] playing Joan Rivers correctly would be doing what is

[quote]“There’s this long tradition of non-Jews playing Jews, and not just playing people who happen to be Jewish but people whose Jewishness is their whole being,” Silverman said in Thursday’s episode of her eponymous podcast, adding, “One could argue, for instance, that a Gentile [a non-Jew] playing Joan Rivers correctly would be doing what is actually called ‘Jewface.'”

This coming from the girl who performed in blackface. You can’t make this shit up.

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by Anonymousreply 247October 11, 2021 6:39 PM

Datalounge too. Plus “gayface”.

by Anonymousreply 1October 4, 2021 6:04 PM

Acting is no longer acting.

by Anonymousreply 2October 4, 2021 6:07 PM

So let me get this straight...Hollywood is supposedly controlled and overrun with Jews and gays, but when it comes time to play one of them on screen, the roles only go to goys and straights?

What the actual fuck.

by Anonymousreply 3October 4, 2021 6:07 PM

Everyone wants to jump on the oppression train.

by Anonymousreply 4October 4, 2021 6:14 PM

She's ignoring the fact that the ethnic background of the vast majority of roles can be changed, should a Jewish actor be hired for the part.

She needs to stop whining and just be grateful that Jews have such a healthy representation in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 7October 4, 2021 6:16 PM

Noted Scientoligist John Travolta performed Catholicface in Saturday Night Fever.

by Anonymousreply 10October 4, 2021 6:19 PM

But Jews play Gentiles all the time too. Idk, this is a surprising statement from someone who got canceled not too long ago. I tried listening to the podcast a while ago, but it was so unfunny and depressing.

by Anonymousreply 11October 4, 2021 6:21 PM

I feel sorry for Kathryn Hahn, she's a really good actress and would be good in the part, but everyone can't stop complaining that she's not Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 12October 4, 2021 6:24 PM

Not so veiled criticism of Rachel Brosnahan, an Irish girl, playing Mrs. Maisel, a comedian partly inspired by Joan Rivers.

It’s a shame for her theory that she herself plays non-Jews on occasion.

We live in a culture of complaint in which you are invisible unless you’ve been oppressed or otherwise wronged, so it’s not shocking she’s trying to get some mileage out of this. You’d think that the tons of actual oppression Jews have suffered would be enough, but no — Sarah has somehow found a way to argue that Jews are oppressed … in Hollywood. lol

by Anonymousreply 13October 4, 2021 6:25 PM

Sarah, you’re talking about Jews. Datalounge hates Jews.

by Anonymousreply 14October 4, 2021 6:26 PM

If we're gonna demand that fucking cartoons characters be voiced by an actor of the same ethnicity as the character (which is what's happening now) then it makes no sense to not demand the same of live actors. That being said, I think both demands are stupid.

by Anonymousreply 15October 4, 2021 6:28 PM

R14 is that all you’ve got? Lol why bother then?

by Anonymousreply 16October 4, 2021 6:30 PM

Let's not forget the two worst Italian portrayals ever by Jews...Dorothy and Sophia on The Golden Girls.

Jews play Italians all the time. Do we ever see a reverse of that?

by Anonymousreply 17October 4, 2021 6:30 PM

You don’t have to be this Matt person to like Jews. Pro-Jew does not mean “Matt”.

by Anonymousreply 18October 4, 2021 6:32 PM

I mean if Emma Watson nailed the lead in “The Barbra Streisand Massacre”?

by Anonymousreply 19October 4, 2021 6:32 PM

Jews and Italians have always got along like family. As a Jew, I'm embarrassed by people like Sarah Silverman. It goes to show that even when it comes to gays and Jews, I can still recognize when people that speak for us are doing more harm for our cause.

by Anonymousreply 20October 4, 2021 6:33 PM

[quote]It goes to show that even when it comes to gays and Jews, I can still recognize when people that speak for us are doing more harm for our cause.

Right. Like 99% of gays who support transgenderism and Islam.

by Anonymousreply 21October 4, 2021 6:35 PM

[quote] She’s a comedian.

Then why isn't she ever funny?

by Anonymousreply 22October 4, 2021 6:35 PM

Kathryn Hahn played a rabbi and many other Jews. She is a good actress.

by Anonymousreply 23October 4, 2021 6:36 PM

[quote]Jews play Italians all the time. Do we ever see a reverse of that?

John Turturro as Herb Stempel in "Quiz Show" is a great performance that immediately jumps to mind, and there are many others.

by Anonymousreply 26October 4, 2021 6:37 PM

[quote]Jews play Italians all the time. Do we ever see a reverse of that?

Once Upon a Time in America

by Anonymousreply 27October 4, 2021 6:39 PM

On Seinfeld George was so Jewish yet the character he played was not Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 28October 4, 2021 6:53 PM

Not only were Bea Arthur and Estelle Getty Jewish, but also Herb Edelman (Stan) and Bill Dana (Uncle Angelo). In fairness, though, Stan wasn't Italian.

by Anonymousreply 29October 4, 2021 6:56 PM

I think Jenny Slate could pull off Joan Rivers

by Anonymousreply 30October 4, 2021 6:59 PM

Can Jews please stop doing Pizzaface (playing Italians) then? Because it seems like half of "Italian" roles go to Jews.

by Anonymousreply 31October 4, 2021 6:59 PM

Sorry, but this is just stupid.

by Anonymousreply 32October 4, 2021 7:01 PM

R13 so it's just sour grapes because she didn't get the role in he Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. TYPICAL.

by Anonymousreply 33October 4, 2021 7:05 PM

R31- Several of the actors on that new Sopranos movie playing Italians are Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 34October 4, 2021 7:06 PM

That's funny. Sarah Silverman played an Italian-American girl on the series "Brotherly Love" in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 35October 4, 2021 7:08 PM

R34 Jamie Lynn Sigler, who played Meadow is Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 36October 4, 2021 7:11 PM

I agree with the people who say this is a non issue and I’m Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 37October 4, 2021 7:11 PM

Sarah's so right. Thank God I look like my mom!

by Anonymousreply 38October 4, 2021 7:13 PM

Brad Garrett & Doris Roberts own this thread backlash

by Anonymousreply 39October 4, 2021 7:13 PM

How does Sarah feel about Egyptians playing Jews?

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by Anonymousreply 40October 4, 2021 7:13 PM

If we consider the fact that the group of non Jewish Europeans that Ashkenazi are most closely related to are Italians it’s not surprising many are cast to play Italians.

by Anonymousreply 41October 4, 2021 7:14 PM

She's got a point.

Natalie Wood as Marjorie Morningstar (Jewish American Princess) - ridiculous

Ali MacGraw as Brenda Patimkin (Jewish American Princess in Goodbye, Columbus) - ridiculous

Blythe Danner as Kate Jerome ("strong Jewish matriarch" in Brighton Beach Memoirs) - ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 42October 4, 2021 7:18 PM

What about Jews playing non Jews? Just about all the “Boston Irish” family members in Ray Donovan are Jewish except Jon Voight. None are of Irish American descent.

by Anonymousreply 43October 4, 2021 7:20 PM

Can we AT LEAST all agree that we love 💕 Dorothy & Sophia?

by Anonymousreply 44October 4, 2021 7:20 PM

This kind of thing always comes down to: did everyone have the same opportunity to be seen and cast and was there discrimination when it came to hiring people?

by Anonymousreply 45October 4, 2021 7:22 PM

This sort of anti-Semitism can be traced all the way back to the Golden Age of the Hollywood Studios which were all run by Jewish immigrants who were uncomfortable, if not disgusted, by portraying real Jewish life onscreen. LB Mayer, Jesse Lasky, Sam Goldwyn, the Warner Brothers, Irving Thalberg, David O. Selznick, Harry Cohn, the names go on and on....plus most of the men who worked directly under these producers.

The only exception to these moguls was gentile Darryl Zanuck, who ran 20th Century Fox and produced and won Oscars for Gentlemen's Agreement in 1947 at a time when none of the other studios would touch the property, which was a fictional expose about anti-Semitism (rampant after WWII) even though it was a huge bestselling novel.

I can't think of a single Hollywood star of those decades, contracted by those men, who was allowed or encouraged to keep their real name if it sounded remotely Jewish. And even the first Hollywood stars with a true "Jewish look" like Dustin Hoffman and Elliott Gould had names that were just neutral enough (and Elliott's real last name was Goldstein) to not distract.

I bring this up because even though there's still the persistent notion that "the Jews run Hollywood" those same Jews were never particularly eager to put their people in the limelight without de-Jewing them to some degree.

by Anonymousreply 46October 4, 2021 7:23 PM

Yul Brynner owns this backlash in movie history.

by Anonymousreply 47October 4, 2021 7:23 PM

As we approach the holiday season, I'd like to remind everyone that my classic A Christmas Album is still available for purchase.

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by Anonymousreply 48October 4, 2021 7:29 PM

She had this segment on her podcast or an interview or something where she talked about living in an apartment.

She said while she took a shower, she'd turn up her stereo, radio, whatever so she could hear Howard Stern. It seems like she was fcuking BLASTING it.

A neighbor left a note at her door telling her to turn it down. It turns out he lived super far away from her in the unit. Others were obviously hearing it too.

She was SOO butthurt that the neighbor didn't try to talk to her first...meaning they'd have to wait around for her to be home...expend the energy to try to describe to stupod Sarah that yes, apartments are NOT soundproof...etc.

Then she had them do this whole thing with turning it up and texting him to see if he heard it, not realizing OTHER people could probably hear it at lower levels.

She's so dumb....she does everything full tilt with blatant disregard for everyone until she gets called out, and then tries to "appease" them....

She's that noisy chick in your apartment building who doesn't give a shit about you or your life and still wants your attention.

by Anonymousreply 49October 4, 2021 7:29 PM

[quote]Ali MacGraw as Brenda Patimkin (Jewish American Princess in Goodbye, Columbus) - ridiculous

Babe, Ali MacGraw [italic]is[/italic] Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 50October 4, 2021 7:29 PM

Ali McGraw is as Jewish as Tracey Ullman.

by Anonymousreply 51October 4, 2021 7:36 PM

is everyone googling Ali MacGraw at the same time?

by Anonymousreply 52October 4, 2021 7:38 PM

R38 but you have your fathers nose, darling!

by Anonymousreply 53October 4, 2021 7:40 PM

[quote]Ali McGraw is as Jewish as Tracey Ullman.

Nope, but care to explain?

by Anonymousreply 55October 4, 2021 7:42 PM

Pigs don’t know that pigs stink.

by Anonymousreply 56October 4, 2021 7:43 PM

Jews are not a race, so there is no such thing as "Jewface."

by Anonymousreply 57October 4, 2021 7:48 PM

I also have a “jew face” problem.

by Anonymousreply 58October 4, 2021 7:51 PM

Sarah and her sister voice the Pesto twins on the animated series "Bob's Burgers." The twins are boys, so shouldn't they be voiced by boys, not adult women? Also, the characters are either Italian or Polish, but either way, they're nominally Christian, not Jewish, so shouldn't Sarah and her sister be out of a job on two levels?

by Anonymousreply 59October 4, 2021 7:58 PM

What about when Mandy Patinkin brazenly impersonated a human being?

by Anonymousreply 60October 4, 2021 8:03 PM

[quote]Not so veiled criticism of Rachel Brosnahan, an Irish girl, playing Mrs. Maisel, a comedian partly inspired by Joan Rivers.

Most likely Sarah Silverman wanted the part herself, and is bitter she didn't get it.

by Anonymousreply 61October 4, 2021 8:05 PM

Jewish actors all get nose jobs anyway so that they don’t look jewish.

by Anonymousreply 62October 4, 2021 8:05 PM

Most boy characters are voices by women so that puberty doesn’t cause them to age out

by Anonymousreply 63October 4, 2021 8:05 PM

R61- It doesn’t matter that the actress isn’t Jewish, she’s convincing in the role- That’s what matters.

by Anonymousreply 64October 4, 2021 8:07 PM

R61, ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! No thought or reflection whatsoever about what she is saying...

by Anonymousreply 65October 4, 2021 8:08 PM

r46 that's why Barbra Streisand was so revolutionary. She refused to change her name, get a nosejob and hide her Jewishness. She celebrated it. That was a HUGE deal back then.

by Anonymousreply 66October 4, 2021 8:11 PM

[quote]Not so veiled criticism of Rachel Brosnahan, an Irish girl, playing Mrs. Maisel, a comedian partly inspired by Joan Rivers.

This is a perfect example of great casting despite the actress not being the same ethnicity as the character (i.e., what used to be called "acting".) Brosnahan is completely and utterly convincing as a Jewish woman, and there is absolutely nothing about her portrayal that is damaging or negative towards Jewish people. Not to mention, she was cast by Amy Sherman-Palladino, who is half Jewish herself.

by Anonymousreply 67October 4, 2021 8:12 PM

Religion is a choice, it's not an inherent part of a person like skin colour or sexuality

by Anonymousreply 68October 4, 2021 8:13 PM

On Rhoda- Valerie Harper was not Jewish and playing a Jew and her husband was not Jewish but David Groh was Jewish.

For me the big surprise was that Nancy Walker/Ida Morgenstein was not Jewish in real life.

by Anonymousreply 69October 4, 2021 8:14 PM

And lest we forget the worst perpetrator of this atrocity...Rachel in Heartburn based on Nora Ephron, Suzanne in Postcards from the Edge based on Carrie Fisher, Sophie in Sophie's Choice based on Sophie, Susan in Adaptation based on Susan Orleand...sheeesh Meryl is like the Al Jolson of this...

by Anonymousreply 70October 4, 2021 8:14 PM

I sort of recall some people bitched last year about some of the cast members of The Plot Against America not being Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 71October 4, 2021 8:18 PM

R63 - Yes, I understand that, but in the SJW world of "only those of whatever persuasion can play characters of whatever persuasion," such a thing as a character played by the wrong gender is surely an abomination, if not actual violence.

by Anonymousreply 72October 4, 2021 8:20 PM

[quote]Jews play Italians all the time. Do we ever see a reverse of that?

Al Pacino as Roy Cohn in Angels, and as the rabbi in that Amazon series whose name escapes me.

by Anonymousreply 73October 4, 2021 8:21 PM

[quote]And lest we forget the worst perpetrator of this atrocity...Rachel in Heartburn based on Nora Ephron, Suzanne in Postcards from the Edge based on Carrie Fisher, Sophie in Sophie's Choice based on Sophie, Susan in Adaptation based on Susan Orleand...sheeesh Meryl is like the Al Jolson of this...

For the record, G (and we know it's you):

Suzanne in Postcards was not portraying Carrie Fisher herself. Suzanne Vale was a fictional character with no ethnicity that was revealed.

The character of Sophie was NOT Jewish, neither in the novel or the movie. She was a Polish Catholic.

As for Heartburn and Adaptation, neither character was defined by their Jewishness. They just happened to be based on real life women who were Jewish, but it was not a central part of their character or the story (in fact it was not ANY part, central or otherwise.)

Maybe once you win an Oscar you can make such bold statements like this, but until then....the Oscar goes to....someone other than Glenn.

by Anonymousreply 74October 4, 2021 8:27 PM

How far does this go? Has Tom Cruise been playing "Tallface" for his entire career?

by Anonymousreply 75October 4, 2021 8:29 PM

That M/G shit is so fucking unfunny.

by Anonymousreply 77October 4, 2021 8:32 PM

R66- The reason Barbara Streisand never got a nose job was because she was afraid it would affect her singing voice and she knew that happened to Connie Frances who had a 👃 job to look less ethnic and it permanently altered Connie Frances’s singing voice.

by Anonymousreply 78October 4, 2021 8:43 PM

Are we all gonna sit here and ignore the blatant attempts of recolonization the Brits have attempted in American film and television? They took our jobs! What are they teaching over there at RADA?!

by Anonymousreply 80October 4, 2021 8:46 PM

The most famous Italian tv character of all- The Fonz was played by Henry Winkler - a Jew.

by Anonymousreply 81October 4, 2021 8:49 PM

In "American Graffiti", Jewish New Yorker Richard Dreyfuss plays a character who supposedly has lived his entire life in Modesto, California and is afraid to move east for college. Maybe Ron Howard and Dreyfuss should have switched roles.

by Anonymousreply 83October 4, 2021 8:50 PM

This is kind of off topic but not really- The man who directed Fidler On The Roof(1971) Norman Jewison is not Jewish- I always assumed with that name and directing that movie he was Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 84October 4, 2021 8:54 PM

R83- Anson Williams and Donny Most are both Jewish too.

by Anonymousreply 85October 4, 2021 8:56 PM

This is the cunt who, during Pride this year, posted on Facebook that we (the gays) all owed our freedoms to Marsha P. Johnson.

FUCKING CUNT

by Anonymousreply 86October 4, 2021 8:56 PM

Big talk from a bedwetter.

by Anonymousreply 87October 4, 2021 8:57 PM

Adam Sandler should reclaim Marsha P Johnson in the next edition of the Hanukkah song.

by Anonymousreply 88October 4, 2021 8:59 PM

Marsha P Johnson is going to get a biopic isn’t she? Who will play her?

by Anonymousreply 89October 4, 2021 9:04 PM

Well, no one can deny that Ethel Rosenberg was Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 90October 4, 2021 9:07 PM

R90- and no one can deny that Whoopi Goldberg is Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 91October 4, 2021 9:11 PM

[quote] On Seinfeld George was so Jewish yet the character he played was not Jewish.

His mother was Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 92October 4, 2021 9:11 PM

Nancy Walker, who was Italian, played Rhoda’s Jewish mother.

by Anonymousreply 93October 4, 2021 9:12 PM

R92- His mother on the show was supposed to be Jewish? I didn’t know that.

by Anonymousreply 94October 4, 2021 9:13 PM

I llove Sarah Silverman but she is so wrong here. let’s be honest there is no shortage of Jewish reputation behind the camera or in front of the cameras. Lots of Jews have played gentiles and will contribute to play gentiles which is what makes this different than the POC debate.

by Anonymousreply 95October 4, 2021 9:13 PM

Nancy Walker was not Italian.

by Anonymousreply 96October 4, 2021 9:15 PM

R3, Gays don’t run Hollywood. There is a higher percentage of gays in the business but they are mostly in stereotypi al non powerful roles with few exceptions such as make up artists, set designers, costumers. Not exactly powerful.

by Anonymousreply 97October 4, 2021 9:15 PM

R39, I always thought Doris Roberts was Welsh because of her last name. I didn't figure on a name change. Color me surprised!

by Anonymousreply 98October 4, 2021 9:23 PM

R81 The comedian Andrew Dice Clay is a jew but his persona is that of a loud mouth wise guy Long Island paisano.

by Anonymousreply 99October 4, 2021 9:27 PM

She’s so stupid. Jewish is a religion, not a race. You don’t need to paint your face to portray a Jew….like she used to do when she would do Blackface.

God she’s so fucking hypocritical.

by Anonymousreply 100October 4, 2021 9:31 PM

So then does that mean Jews shouldn’t be playing Italian characters (James Caan in The Godfather, Peter Falk in Columbo)?

by Anonymousreply 101October 4, 2021 9:33 PM

Puerto Ricans play Native Americans and Italians play Puerto Ricans and Jews play Italians.

It's the circle of life!

by Anonymousreply 102October 4, 2021 9:42 PM

Sammy Davis Junior had both blackface and jewface.

by Anonymousreply 103October 4, 2021 9:47 PM

I think George's father on Seinfeld was Jewish. They were shown observing some Jewish ceremony. There are Italian Jews people !

by Anonymousreply 104October 4, 2021 9:50 PM

Puerto ricans playing Mexicans is the reason we got JLo.

by Anonymousreply 105October 4, 2021 10:05 PM

It's weird to me that there are so many Hollywood movies and TV shows about Jews when they are only 2% of the population, about the same as Chinese Americans

by Anonymousreply 106October 4, 2021 10:08 PM

The Ultimate Jewface Performance:

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by Anonymousreply 107October 4, 2021 10:12 PM

R74 = Mamie Gummer, earning her inheritance.

by Anonymousreply 108October 4, 2021 10:16 PM

Jews played Egyptians while a WASP plays Moses!

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by Anonymousreply 110October 4, 2021 10:20 PM

What about Italians playing indigenous persons?!?

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by Anonymousreply 111October 4, 2021 10:23 PM

That's bad, R111 cause it puts Puerto Ricans out of work.

by Anonymousreply 112October 4, 2021 10:26 PM

Sal Mineo also played a Jew in Exodus

by Anonymousreply 113October 4, 2021 10:27 PM

Another Ultimate Jewface:

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by Anonymousreply 114October 4, 2021 10:28 PM

Sal Mineo played a cute little Mexican soldier in Giant.

I'm sure this is brown face.

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by Anonymousreply 115October 4, 2021 10:31 PM

R111 Sal Mineo was so beautiful even with that atrocious makeup.

by Anonymousreply 116October 4, 2021 10:32 PM

She has to be trolling. She is known for being a provocatrix.

by Anonymousreply 117October 4, 2021 10:36 PM

Being Jewish is such an insurmountable hurdle to getting work in Hollywood..... giggle.

by Anonymousreply 118October 4, 2021 10:37 PM

Sarah in black face complaining about Jew face screaming..Look at me look at me. I'm not funny, have no career..Look at me!!

by Anonymousreply 119October 4, 2021 10:40 PM

[quote] Nancy Walker was not Italian.

Nancy was quoted saying that she played so many Jewish roles despite being Italian. Who knows?

by Anonymousreply 120October 4, 2021 11:01 PM

Experience informs the performance. Think back a year ago when It's a Sin came out, and Russell T. Davies talked about casting gays as the gay characters. There was a long thread on it, and some people commented that gay actors would bring more to the part. They've experienced the usual milestones and roadblocks of gay life. Bullying and harassment. The coming out process. Job discrimination. Being told over and over again that you can't do this or that because you're too fem, butch, gay etc. and having to work even harder to get ahead than your straight peers. That's why It's a Sin was so good. The performances came from that place. Sure, straight guys can act their asses off, but they don't "get" what being gay is like.

By the way, to some previous posters, "Jewish" is not just a religion. It can also be an ethnicity, a culture you grew up in, and the way you live your life every day. If a Catholic actor doesn't do their research into a Jewish character and their culture, they may miss something big. For instance, the Jewish experience of god is different from the Catholic experience. The Catholic church teaches kids at a young age that there are intermediaries they must go through (prayers, confession, clergy, regular church attendance, communion) in order to reach God. Jewish philosophy is much different, and god is much more immediate and internal. I am NOT saying either is bad. I am saying....experience informs the performance.

by Anonymousreply 123October 4, 2021 11:29 PM

R100 and others, being a Jew is more than practising Judaism. It is not just a religion. You don’t stop being Jewish if you stop going to the synagogue. And you are Jewish if you are of Jewish descent and never went to the synagogue in the first place. You think anti-semites only hate observant Jews?

by Anonymousreply 124October 4, 2021 11:36 PM

"... but when it comes time to play one of them on screen, the roles only go to goys and straights?"

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 125October 4, 2021 11:37 PM

Millie Perkins as Anne Frank in The Diary of Anne Frank.

'Nuff said?

by Anonymousreply 126October 4, 2021 11:39 PM

I still challenge anyone here to name a few Jewish actresses with name recognition under 60 years old. Only one I can think of is Natalie Portman.

by Anonymousreply 127October 4, 2021 11:41 PM

Norman Jewison also directed Jesus Christ Superstar another musical about Jews. Had Ari been a success and sold to the movies he would have directed that movie musical as well.

by Anonymousreply 128October 4, 2021 11:54 PM

[quote]Jewish actresses with name recognition under 60 years old

Rachel Weisz

Mila Kunis

Gal Gadot

Winona Ryder

Selma Blair

Debra Messing

Lisa Kudrow

Sarah Jessica Parker

Gwyneth Paltrow

Zoe Kravitz

Kyra Sedgwick

Rashida Jones

Maggie Gyllenhaal

Julianna Margulies

Idina Menzel

A whole lot more but I'm too tired to think or type more.

by Anonymousreply 129October 4, 2021 11:55 PM

When they cast the Ari Melber Story they will have to cast a Jew. A sexy Jew but still...

by Anonymousreply 130October 4, 2021 11:56 PM

R127, Scarlett Johansson, Kate Hudson, Mila Kunis, Gal Gadot, Sarah M Gellar, Mayim Bialik, Emmy Rossum…I got bored after that.

by Anonymousreply 131October 4, 2021 11:57 PM

Can I play a Jew, although I have no Jewish blood?

by Anonymousreply 132October 5, 2021 12:00 AM

Sarah Silverman is now irrelevant, thank god. Nobody checks for her anymore.

by Anonymousreply 133October 5, 2021 12:01 AM

There are no Jews in West Side Story yet it was created entirely by Jews. What's up with that?

by Anonymousreply 134October 5, 2021 12:03 AM

FWIW, Winona Ryder, Sarah Jessica Parker, Gwyneth Paltrow, Zoe Kravitz, Kyra Sedgwick, Rashida Jones and Maggie Gyllenhaal and Scarlett Johansson are only 1/2 Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 135October 5, 2021 12:11 AM

Can Lenny Kravitz score the funky music 🎶 for this thread?

by Anonymousreply 136October 5, 2021 12:13 AM

[quote] Sarah Silverman is now irrelevant, thank god. Nobody checks for her anymore.

I was going to say, she seems desperate for relevance. Wasn’t she the obnoxious “fun” chick who could rip farts and make dirty jokes with the best of the bros (before Amy Schumer)? And now she’s a humorless windbag.

by Anonymousreply 137October 5, 2021 12:22 AM

^ Amy Schumer, Beanie Feldstein

by Anonymousreply 138October 5, 2021 12:24 AM

It’s ironic a racist like Sarah Silverman wants to adapt black ideology to her group.

She’s a white woman complaining the wrong kind of white is playing her kind of white.

She can fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 141October 5, 2021 12:35 AM

What if a convert like Mare WInningham wanted to play a Jew? Would Sarah be ok with that?

by Anonymousreply 142October 5, 2021 12:36 AM

Not if she converted only for the jokes.

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by Anonymousreply 143October 5, 2021 12:40 AM

[quote] It is not just a religion

Yes it is. You can try desperately to dress it up as more than that. But it is just a religion. And again, one that is chosen.

by Anonymousreply 144October 5, 2021 12:40 AM

Sarah Silverman has her head up her arse. Meryl Streep has had one of the most successful careers of anybody in Hollywood, and whilst she is not Jewish could pass.

by Anonymousreply 145October 5, 2021 12:49 AM

[quote] There are no Jews in West Side Story yet it was created entirely by Jews

R134. Back in the beginning all those Jews who created West Side Story planned a musical about Polish Jews versus non-Polish Jews.

Bernstein asked them to change it because Poles don't have mambo and samba.

by Anonymousreply 146October 5, 2021 12:52 AM

R146 It was originally going to be about Jews against Irish Catholics until they realised they would just be doing a musical version of Abie's Irish Rose

by Anonymousreply 147October 5, 2021 1:04 AM

Wrong R144. And I’m not desperately dressing up anything.

by Anonymousreply 148October 5, 2021 1:21 AM

It is not a religion, R144.

It is THE religion.

by Anonymousreply 149October 5, 2021 1:29 AM

r63 and to keep money flowing to Xenu.

by Anonymousreply 150October 5, 2021 1:35 AM

I assumed Doc was Jewish, but who knows?

by Anonymousreply 151October 5, 2021 1:37 AM

[quote]FWIW, [list of actress names] are only 1/2 Jewish.

So what? How many American actors can you name whose ethnicity is 100% Irish, or 100% Polish, or 100% French, etc.? Most Americans are mutts. The point about being Jewish remains the same.

by Anonymousreply 152October 5, 2021 1:40 AM

[quote]The point about being Jewish remains the same.

I wonder if Israel agrees with that.

by Anonymousreply 153October 5, 2021 2:10 AM

[quote]I wonder if Israel agrees with that.

Completely and totally different context, but nice try.

by Anonymousreply 154October 5, 2021 2:14 AM

It’s harder to list the successful actors and actress who are NOT Jewish.

Sarah Silverman is a total cunt. I remember her shitting on an Asian activist back in the day and calling him over sensitive for calling out her racist jokes. She and her fellow smug Jew elitist Bill Maher were treating him like shit.

by Anonymousreply 155October 5, 2021 2:31 AM

[quote] smug Jew elitist

You have a right to be smug when you belong to The Chosen People.

by Anonymousreply 156October 5, 2021 2:36 AM

All I can say is I wish Joan Rivers were here to make one of her hilarious one liners about all this because I know she could;

by Anonymousreply 157October 5, 2021 2:39 AM

OP and others here do not understand the gag or the social commentary going on within it.

She's the best.

by Anonymousreply 158October 5, 2021 2:42 AM

Joan spent her whole adult life trying not to look Jewish and now a movie about her has a "Jewface" problem?

by Anonymousreply 159October 5, 2021 3:11 AM

"The point about being Jewish remains the same"

Clearly, r152, you are not Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 160October 5, 2021 3:33 AM

R42- William Shatner cast as playing ANY Jew- ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 161October 5, 2021 4:11 AM

William Shatner is actually Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 162October 5, 2021 4:17 AM

[quote] Sarah Silverman is a total cunt. I remember her shitting on an Asian activist back in the day and calling him over sensitive for calling out her racist jokes. She and her fellow smug Jew elitist Bill Maher were treating him like shit.

I remember that whole debacle. Also, there used to be a cable network called Trio which used to air a bunch of entertainment related documentaries. There was docuseries called Uncensored Comedy: That's Not Funny. She appeared on the series to talk about being called out for racist jokes and she tried to say that she didn't mean ill will.

by Anonymousreply 163October 5, 2021 4:20 AM

She had a problem with dressing like a toddler, and cannot resist discussions of her butthole in every single appearance she makes.

by Anonymousreply 164October 5, 2021 4:24 AM

She had a moment back in the 2000s but that's long passed.

by Anonymousreply 165October 5, 2021 4:27 AM

This unshaved big bushy bitch needs her 15 minutes again. Here’s the deal, Sarah, you used to be hysterical before you went liberal woke cunt warrior. Now she’s using her Jewishness to get herself an acting job playing an actual zero fucks given comedian Joan Rivers. She wants Kathryn Hahn to get axed for being non Jewish? It’s called ACTING dumb cunt. She’s a better actress so the casting directors hired her, why is this so hard for people to grasp? Gays don’t have to only play gays either.

by Anonymousreply 166October 5, 2021 4:45 AM

R158, She is deadass serious.

by Anonymousreply 167October 5, 2021 4:49 AM

If examples were needed of just how culturally entrenched anti-Jewish bigotry/hatred are, look no further than this thread.

by Anonymousreply 168October 5, 2021 5:00 AM

I sort of assumed Kathryn Hahn was Jewish. Huh. Hahn doesn't look much like Joan Rivers to me, but Joan Rivers didn't look much like Joan Rivers for thge last half of her life either.

Someone mentioned Bill Maher as Jewish, but Maher frequently brings up his Catholic upbringing.

All these new calls for precise ehnic and racial accuracy in casting are just ridiculous. Once we go down that road we'll have to dig up old racialist terms like 'octoroon' to more precisely perform 'wokeness-approved' casting choices.

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by Anonymousreply 169October 5, 2021 5:33 AM

r168 it's a pretty lively discussion.

by Anonymousreply 170October 5, 2021 5:46 AM

[quote]All these new calls for precise ehnic and racial accuracy in casting are just ridiculous.

Where does it end? Will an actor of English heritage be unable to play a character of German heritage, etc.? That would be insane.

by Anonymousreply 171October 5, 2021 5:47 AM

[quote] we'll have to dig up old racialist terms like 'octoroon' to more precisely perform 'wokeness-approved' casting choices.

Why do we have to hide from factual descriptors like half-caste and quarter caste?

The current generation can't cope with facts?

by Anonymousreply 172October 5, 2021 5:51 AM

A Jewish woman is complaining? How is this news?

by Anonymousreply 173October 5, 2021 5:54 AM

[quote]t's a pretty lively discussion.

R170 Considering your posts, no surprise that you consider "discussion" the spewing of centuries' old stereotypes, anti-Jewish bigotry and hatreds.

by Anonymousreply 174October 5, 2021 5:59 AM

R169, Bill Maher is half Jewish and is part of the Jewish media elites.

by Anonymousreply 175October 5, 2021 6:00 AM

R57, On a group vacation a few years ago, at dinner we were mentioning our heritages (I don't remember why). I mentioned I was Italian, and a man (a Bolivian, as it happened) remarked laughingly, "Oh! I thought you were Jewish!"

As an old woman, I knew what he meant, so I addressed it head on, as it were. "It's my nose. It's a Mediterranean one."

And that, my dears, is why Italians can play Jews who can portray Spaniards who can be Greeks who.....

by Anonymousreply 177October 5, 2021 6:33 AM

R176 proves the "Never point out to a bigot exactly what he is" adage.

by Anonymousreply 178October 5, 2021 6:51 AM

r178 you need to lighten up. BTW your posting history reveals rather anti-Muslim opinions.

by Anonymousreply 179October 5, 2021 7:01 AM

This basic bitch must have sucked and fucked her way into fame. She is neither funny nor pretty.

by Anonymousreply 180October 5, 2021 7:03 AM

She actually did fuck a lot of people in the industry, it's been mentioned several times by her peers.

by Anonymousreply 181October 5, 2021 7:11 AM

I'm half Jewish but Catholic. Do I get twice as many jobs or none at all?

Hawt tho, in that Jewish Catholic way.

by Anonymousreply 183October 5, 2021 10:24 AM

42 - Ali MacGraw is Jewish. Her mother was Jewish. Jewish people don't only look one way. Gwyneth Paltrow looks "more Jewish" then Ali MacGraw and she only had a Jewish father who she very much looks like, aside from her eyes.

by Anonymousreply 184October 5, 2021 10:50 AM

R179 Because "progressive" gay people on a gay board should speak kindly of homophobic cultures, eh Bigot?

by Anonymousreply 185October 5, 2021 12:47 PM

Sarah Silverman lost a job to a shiksa, I take it.

by Anonymousreply 186October 5, 2021 12:52 PM

I have not gone through all of the posts, however...

Gentile Nancy Walker as Ida Morgenstern [bold]owns[/bold] owns this thread!

by Anonymousreply 187October 5, 2021 1:21 PM

Did you know that more actors on the Sopranos are Jewish than actually Italian?

by Anonymousreply 188October 5, 2021 1:37 PM

Everyone seems to be missing the entire point of acting...

by Anonymousreply 189October 5, 2021 1:58 PM

The entire point of gays demanding the gay roles is that gays, generally, have a hard time being cast in anything. This is why there's a hullabaloo when a straight actor plays a gay or trans role.

Jewish actors don't seem to have those same barriers. If we demand that only Jewish actors play Jewish roles, they won't be able to play the Italian, Spanish, Greek, and "General Mediterranean" roles

by Anonymousreply 190October 5, 2021 2:01 PM

“ This is why there's a hullabaloo when a straight actor plays a gay or trans role”

There isn’t. Most gay parts are played by straight people especially if they’re in movies. The media likes to conflate gay with trannies who DO raise hell if non trans actors play trans parts.

Because they can’t criticize trannys or have an honest conversation about their demands in media, they pretend gays have these same demands so they can say “it’s acting people!!”

by Anonymousreply 191October 5, 2021 2:22 PM

[quote] Most gay parts are played by straight people especially if they’re in movies.

That is quickly changing. In the future, it will be difficult for a non-gay actor to accept a gay movie role.

by Anonymousreply 192October 5, 2021 2:41 PM

The Jews are completely racist. Hollywood is overrun by Jews.

by Anonymousreply 193October 5, 2021 2:59 PM

I’m sure, like me, most people believed Kathryn Hahn to be Jewish anyway. Sarah is nothing like Joan why should she be considered for the part?

by Anonymousreply 194October 5, 2021 3:33 PM

She's ugly in and out. Yeah she's bitter and who can blame her.

by Anonymousreply 195October 5, 2021 3:53 PM

What's the male equivalent of a shiksha? That's what she goes for. I know.

by Anonymousreply 196October 5, 2021 4:08 PM

[quote]That is quickly changing. In the future, it will be difficult for a non-gay actor to accept a gay movie role.

You're probably right, but I think that would paint openly gay actors into a corner. How can an openly gay actor then accept any role of a heterosexual character? It cuts both ways.

Again, it used to be called acting.

by Anonymousreply 197October 5, 2021 4:19 PM

[quote] Sure, straight guys can act their asses off, but they don't "get" what being gay is like.

Boy, do I not believe that.

Sean Penn in "Milk"? Tom Hanks in "Philadelphia"? Darren Criss in "The Assassination of Gianni Versace"? Steve Buscemi in "Parting Glances"?

by Anonymousreply 198October 5, 2021 4:21 PM

As an Armenian-American/Native American, Cher could never have starred in "Moonstruck,:" and neither could Olympia Dukakis as a Greek-American.

by Anonymousreply 199October 5, 2021 4:23 PM

[quote]Tom Hanks in "Philadelphia"?

LOL, your argument lost steam when you included that one. Hanks was utterly unconvincing as a gay man. I suppose it's not totally his fault, as the script was basically "Gay 101 for Straight People Who Are Squeamish About the Homosex".

by Anonymousreply 200October 5, 2021 4:29 PM

Yes, Darren Criss plays gay very well for a straight man.

by Anonymousreply 201October 5, 2021 5:09 PM

Sarah Silverman’s been reading David Baddiel’s latest screed.

It’s a bullshit proposition anyway. The only character that actors shuck and jive in a frizzy orange wig and a big hook nose in buffoonery is Fagin.

All the “Jewish” Hollywood movie characters of stand-up comic, writer, artist’s manager etc have their equivalent in every other race and ethnicity with a significant presence in American pop culture: Black, Irish, Italian, British etc.

by Anonymousreply 202October 5, 2021 5:28 PM

R200- Tom Hanks is GAY in real life.

by Anonymousreply 203October 5, 2021 5:35 PM

R152 Are most Americans mutts? Being from Boston, white people still identify / label themselves as their European ethnicity.

by Anonymousreply 204October 5, 2021 5:38 PM

R192 That’s not true. In the future sense will be restored and actors will be allowed to play characters unlike themselves.

by Anonymousreply 205October 5, 2021 5:45 PM

R191 Just like Silverman’s arguement, the concept of whitewashing doesn’t work for Jews or trans people.

Anyone can be gay, anyone can be trans and therefore anyone can play the part. I guess anyone can’t be a Jew but as said here in this thread, Jews can play non-Jewish characters so it works vice versa.

When these groups try to adapt anti-racism ideology to their arguments, it’s always a big fail.

by Anonymousreply 206October 5, 2021 5:54 PM

[quote]Jews play Italians all the time. Do we ever see a reverse of that?

Joy Behar plays a bad jewish comic everyday.

by Anonymousreply 207October 5, 2021 5:57 PM

[quote] [R200]- Tom Hanks is GAY in real life.

Sure he is.

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by Anonymousreply 209October 5, 2021 7:20 PM

R209- You're gaydar SUCKS.

Tom Hanks is as straight as Richard Simmons.

by Anonymousreply 210October 5, 2021 8:05 PM

British/British Commonwealth actors have been playing Romans since forever and Italians have never given two fucks about it.

by Anonymousreply 211October 5, 2021 10:25 PM

So many Jewish actors have played gentile roles though. Too many examples to list here. Plus Judaism is a religion and ethnicity. So you can be a Jewish convert or an ethnic Jew. There are white Jews, Middle Eastern Jews, Asian Jews, Hispanic Jews, Black Jews and Indian Jews. And so many producers, directors, screenwriters and casting directors in Hollywood are Jewish, so clearly they do not care that non-Jews are playing Jewish roles or vice versa. Plus, I've always gotten the impression Jews in Hollywood were agnostic and atheist leaning, so they don't care about religion anyway. As opposed to Evangelical Christians and Mormons who have their own separate film industry.

by Anonymousreply 212October 6, 2021 1:37 AM

Jewish is definitely an ethnicity. Look at all the DNA testing.

by Anonymousreply 213October 6, 2021 1:38 AM

[quote] Jewish is definitely an ethnicity. Look at all the DNA testing.

It's an ethno-religious identity. You can convert to it. Or be born into it. They are only an ethnicity due to being isolated from mainstream society for centuries and intermarrying for generations. Jews can be any color or race. There are Jews in Ethiopia, India and throughout the Arab World. Also, Hindus, Mormons and Amish are similarly considered ethno-religious groups as well.

by Anonymousreply 214October 6, 2021 1:41 AM

But Jewish is also an ethnicity, like Ashkenazi.

by Anonymousreply 215October 6, 2021 1:43 AM

Give it a rest. Converts are not considered part of the tribe.

by Anonymousreply 216October 6, 2021 1:44 AM

R215 True but I was talking about the whole religion in general. A lot of Ashkenazi Jews can pass for regular white European though they do have Middle Eastern DNA. But many Lebanese, Iranians, Iraqis, Arabs and Pakistanis can be pale too and some can be mistaken for European too. But at the end of the day, many casting directors and producers do not care to look into an actors full ethnic background and audiences do not care either, Jews have played non-Jews and non-Jews have played Jews.

by Anonymousreply 217October 6, 2021 1:48 AM

R216 Depends on who you ask. Many Jews I've met have differing opinions. But majority I've met say with certainty that it's a religion not a race and anyone can convert if they truly wanted to even though it's not easy. The Old Testament stories are filled with a lot of conversion through witnessing or marriage. Historians even confirmed Judaism originated as a sect of Canaanite polytheism that centered around Yahweh and would later became fully monotheistic due to influence of Zoroastrianism from the Persian Empire. Even if it's an ethnicity, all ethnic groups are mixed with other groups that are in proximity to them. Hormones aren't stopped by laws and cultural traditions.

by Anonymousreply 218October 6, 2021 2:01 AM

She is an ACTUAL moron. This is the lady who only a few months ago was saying biological men who simply self identify as women, are literal women. Point blank period. But thinks an actor playing a role different to who they are in real life, is essentially 'blackface'?. Hypocritical MORON.

by Anonymousreply 219October 6, 2021 2:50 AM

She never got over Michael Sheen dumping her.

by Anonymousreply 220October 6, 2021 8:01 AM

[quote]But majority I've met say with certainty that it's a religion not a race and anyone can convert if they truly wanted to even though it's not easy.

The most unfortunate products of assimilation who are clueless about their history and identity. And those who exacerbate cluelessness by posting yet more nonsense. But that's always been the method to the on-going attempt to annihilate of the Jewish nation.

Jews are a nation, with laws, languages, history and culture spanning over 3,500 years. The Jewish Bible is not "filled with a lot of conversion through witnessing or marriage". There is exactly ONE book from which the laws of conversion originate, the Book of Ruth.

[quote] Converts are not considered part of the tribe.

Uh, no. Converts according to Jewish law are just as much a part of the tribe as those born into it. What they are not is ethnically Jewish. Just as an American living in Italy or Russia will never be ethnically Italian or Russian.

by Anonymousreply 221October 6, 2021 8:28 AM

R221 that’s right, just as a Jewish person who doesn’t practice (of which there are many), is still ethnically Jewish, and in all likelihood will identify him or herself as Jewish (unless they’re of the self-denying variety).

by Anonymousreply 222October 6, 2021 8:38 AM

this kike bitch did blackface

stfu

by Anonymousreply 223October 6, 2021 11:05 AM

Jews have been making bank writing Christmas Carols forever and nobody's got any beef about it.

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by Anonymousreply 224October 6, 2021 5:31 PM

There’s a tribe in sub-Saharan Africa that identify themselves as Jews. I think that they are called the Puehl tribe.

by Anonymousreply 225October 6, 2021 7:19 PM

What is the name of the movie being made about Joan Rivers? If anyone knows.

by Anonymousreply 226October 6, 2021 7:24 PM

Does a DNA 🧬 Test tell you if your Jewish?

by Anonymousreply 228October 6, 2021 8:11 PM

Historically Jewish, not Sammy Davis/Mare Winningham Jewish

by Anonymousreply 231October 6, 2021 8:36 PM

Anyone can become a Jew. You cannot become black or Asian (no matter whatsherface says). Black and Yellowface have an ugly history in Hollywood and many Jews of the era performed in it. She’s opening a door she doesn’t want to open, now to mention she did blackface.

by Anonymousreply 232October 6, 2021 9:27 PM

She must be real mad at Johnny Knoxville who had a show called Jackass

The name of that show rightfully belongs to Sara Silverman

by Anonymousreply 235October 7, 2021 1:03 AM

I have another one for you DL- Five of the Italian characters from Saturday Night Fever 🥵 - were played by Jewish actors. Two of Tony Monero’s friends, Fran Drescher, Donna Pescow and the woman he won the dance 🕺 contest with- Karen Lynn Gorney.

by Anonymousreply 236October 7, 2021 7:22 PM

Fran Dresher's and Donna Pescow's characters in Saturday Night Fever were never given surnames, and their ethnic identity was never revealed.

by Anonymousreply 237October 7, 2021 7:31 PM

Blackface is the result of putting on black/brown makeup, not simply "acting black." So would Jewface entail not just playing a Jewish character, but augmenting appearance in some way?

I thought Jews ran Hollywood. Maybe the powers that be don't care about the "problem."

by Anonymousreply 238October 7, 2021 9:08 PM

What about "Yankface." All these Brits and Aussies playing American. Now that's a problem.

by Anonymousreply 239October 7, 2021 9:09 PM

Notorious example of Jewface, by r238's definition, from David Lean's version of "Oliver Twist." In the book by Charles Dickens, Fagin is often referred to as "The Jew."

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by Anonymousreply 240October 7, 2021 9:28 PM

Jews are bad (and they stink)

by Anonymousreply 241October 7, 2021 9:58 PM

For fucks sake it’s called ACTING , you act the part you’re given. So Jews play Jews, blacks play blacks, whites play whites, gays play gay, straights play straight, but what about gender neutral how can they find acting work if most roles are a specific gender? Fuck this noise, how about audition and if you are cast for the role it’s because the casting agents saw your abilities to take the role and make it BELIEVABLE.

by Anonymousreply 243October 9, 2021 5:25 AM

[quote]You cannot become black or Asian

Tell that to Lil Kim, she fully Asian now.

by Anonymousreply 244October 10, 2021 12:42 AM

Everyone is cranky and hungry! Come, have some chicken.

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